4. 5 but I've rounded up
"Very comfy and firm around the foot. I have had my previous pair of All Birds for 8 years and they are still going (no tread on them any more though) so I thought I'd get some new ones and hopefully they last just as well. Only down sides so far are that they are hard to pull on as they are tight and have no pull tab on the back of the heel. I also personally don't like the shape of the sole heel as it sticks out a lot but I think that that is the fashion these days."






